Philosophical question . . .

Anyone have an objective perspective of subjectivity to share?

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No, but I subjectively think objective perspectives tend to suck!

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Wonder how much ego plays a role in the dichotomy? . . .

I think we need better tools to objectively evaluate how a speaker interacts with room boundaries below 500Hz. It is currently too much of a subjective guessing game. BSC and NF/FF merger modeling can give us quasi-anechoic curves down to 10Hz, but we don’t listen in an anechoic chamber.

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I wonder if JR would like the sound of this speaker? I am presenting data which I consider to be somewhat objective. This is what I collected on my not a rocket speakers 0-90 on two stands 41 inch total. One meter

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Great response - thanks for putting Geddes & Olive’s work into perspective.

I am definitely in agreement with this response as crossovers between the mid and woofer are most critical to me and difficult to attain with coherence.

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Objectively it looks great and with a little shelving and PEQ could be perfect.

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I would have to give it a listen, but it looks good on paper.

If it doesn’t move you, all the engineering in the world goes for naught.

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Learning what not to do is helpful to me.

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Another question : what do we mean by ā€˜better’, not just in hi fi, but music, cars, food, whatever:

is a Mercedes better than a Camry? By many objective measures, like reliability and build quality, no;

is something better because it costs more - might be sometimes, but often, no;

is butter ā€˜better’ than margarine, or fillet steak better than sirloin - depends on the use;

is one speaker better than another because it can play louder - maybe, but it could also sound awful;

is Vituix CAD better than Xsim - not for me, because I can’t understand it;

was Hendrix a better guitar player than Frank Zappa - depends on whether you value feel and sound over technical proficiency, etc etc

For me anyway, ā€˜better’ means is X fit for purpose compared to its competition?

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Yeah, I don’t like that ā€œbetterā€ termā€¦ā€œdifferentā€ works better.

A Top Fuel dragster is better than a Camry for going fast down a dragstrip. A Camry is better for going to the grocery store, but trying to take the dragster to the grocery, well that would be different.

Grocery store had better be behind a barricade and at the end of strip . . . :grinning_face:

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